Is there a structure to your exchanges?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nM:<\/strong> There is no formal structure, but we keep in contact and depending on where I am with the work and the process, we structure the conversation around that.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nP:<\/strong> I think our meetings are very conversational. The questions just come up while we talk about projects and go further into the layers behind the work. I really enjoyed following Matthew\u2019s work and seeing it change or move between different mediums. His work has a very seductive visual quality, so it\u2019s really easy to get lost in that and then after a while of course there are more questions about specificities of research and location.<\/p>\nI think our practices overlap too and that\u2019s where these structures of artist-mentor and student meetings are very successful. It\u2019s amazing because people start thinking in parallel ways \u2013 less of a teaching situation and more of starting to find overlaps and trying to find solutions that maybe you have found before in your own work. I think that\u2019s what we have been trying to do and it\u2019s been moving in different directions.<\/p>\n
Between each meeting of course, I continue to think about where Matthew is going and if I see something, or if I think of something, a future trajectory, or a residency, or something that could expand a direction, I reach out and send it to him. It\u2019s hard to do it over Zoom, but it has been working because of the kind of media that it is \u2013 moving image and even collage and still photography \u2013 it hasn\u2019t been impossible to get a sense of the materiality of the work.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
How have the conversations with Parastoo affected your process and thinking regarding your work? <\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nM:<\/strong> With each conversation there is a lot of information I get from Parastoo and that information has a big effect on my work. Sometimes it can be more technical, sometimes it\u2019s references I should check out: other artists to look at or videos I should watch. With each meeting there is this sense of \u2013 ok I\u2019m back on track, I know what I need to do for the next meeting. I have this energy so I can go in the studio and be very productive. When I start fizzling out of energy is usually when I reach out to Parastoo to have another meeting.<\/p>\n\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nCan you describe a pivotal exchange or moment that helped shift something for you?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nM:<\/strong> One thing that comes up a lot is how to address the subject matter in my work. Sometimes I can lose that within the work and I go off on these tangents. Parastoo has been very helpful keeping me focused by posing questions that I don\u2019t have to necessarily answer right then and there, but I do have to think about. Why do you want to work in this media? What is it about this subject or this concept that interests you? Those questions can take you by surprise sometimes because you don\u2019t always know the answer right away. And then you realize, I really do need to make a change. I really need to think on this question for a while. And then the work changes due to that.<\/p>\nOne of the reasons why I wanted to work with Parastoo is because I liked the work she showed us at the residency. I wanted my work to go in that direction. And so, it was a great opportunity to work with somebody who really has a good handle on video and dealing with narratives of place. That was something I really wanted to bring to the forefront of my work and that is initially why I reached out to her.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>
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Could you be more specific about a particular question regarding your work that helped shift a direction for you?<\/strong><\/p>\n\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nM:<\/strong> Absolutely. One thing that I have been fascinated by for a while is creating texture using a moving image. That is something Parastoo does beautifully in her work. I was fixated on that going into the semester. The first works I showed her were these crazy things just so far removed from what my language was. I kind of got lost in this idea of filming something, then projecting it, and then filming that and editing it in Premiere Pro and then having this crazy image.<\/p>\nMaybe I\u2019m wrong about this, but I felt that Parastoo was a little shocked at first to see the direction I was going in because I was getting completely lost in creating. Sometimes that happens, which I think is kind of a good thing. She just looked at it and asked, \u201cwhy do you want to do video?\u201d And I didn\u2019t know why. I thought about what initially attracted me to working with video in the first place.<\/p>\n
Something as obvious as that can be just one of those pivotal moments in a studio practice. Why do I want to do this and what am I trying to do? I\u2019m not really a video artist to begin with so it\u2019s very exciting for me to get lost in sound and thinking about sound which is something as a painter, collage artist, and photographer I don\u2019t really think that much about. And then you go down the rabbit hole of sound for a while and then you have to kind of reel it back a little bit.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
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P:<\/strong> I wasn\u2019t shocked. I was very happy to see the experimentation. I\u2019m a big, big fan of that process of following a desire for what could seem like a very basic thing like texture, wanting to get closer to that and figuring out how that works. And I love the idea of spending days just projecting and re-filming and finding different objects to film through, and different surfaces to project on. Following these material investigations does something to help digest a big intellectual, conceptual project.<\/p>\nBut it\u2019s hard when you are dealing with the framework of an MFA, or degree, where there is the reality of time that you have to fit yourself and your process into. And video is just a tricky one. That\u2019s why I posed that question there, because you could spend a lot of time going down that path. The same with sound and now thinking more directly about the voice and if there will be a voiceover. Again, another sort of area where you can get very lost in and forget about the details that make a thing like voiceover actually work with the image.<\/p>\n
There is also this question of a timeline. How can things reach their full potential in the timeline that you have? Do you have to make compromises earlier to make sure that the piece you are working on will be at a place that you are happy with when you have to present it?<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
M:<\/strong> There was something else you said that was really important for me, maybe in our first or second meeting. It was about letting the work sort of suss out the subject matter. Because you can talk, and have all of these ideas, but then through the actual making and filming you kind of start to see what direction you\u2019re really going in. Then you start to see \u2013 ok I have six months to make a body of work and what is actually possible within that time period? Understanding that the process of making helps you refine the subject matter was another big lesson I took away from our meetings.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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P: <\/strong>The time limit is a challenge, but it is a real one. It\u2019s a good place to test your limits and also work on skills that deal with pressure and deadlines, like being able to edit down an idea into a form and execute it in a certain time frame because that\u2019s also what\u2019s going to happen after you graduate. There may be a grant or funding you have that has a deadline, or there is a show that you have to produce for, or there is a deadline for a residency that you have to articulate something for. Learning that, I think, is one of the more crucial parts of becoming a professional artist \u2013 administrating your own life and self with a drive to create work, and also live off it somehow. All of these are quite real.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nHow else have you been challenged this semester?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nM: <\/strong>What\u2019s really nice about working with Parastoo is she\u2019s not holding my hand at all. She\u2019s not guiding me to go do this and go do that. I\u2019m faced with these challenges and I have to face them a little bit alone in the sense that I\u2019m not given an exercise to go and complete and come back and let\u2019s talk about it. It\u2019s more about how you<\/em> want to challenge yourself. I will try and give myself certain guidelines or certain little things to go out and do and bring them to Parastoo to talk about, discussing what worked and what didn\u2019t work.<\/p>\nThat process of figuring it out on your own is quite challenging in itself. That\u2019s been quite a challenge to trust myself and my own process. Going back to what Parastoo said about being a working artist, you don\u2019t have somebody telling you what to work on or how to do it. You have to create those guidelines or those exercises yourself. It\u2019s been really interesting for me to approach and structure my practice in an open ended way.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
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P:<\/strong> I would add that Matthew\u2019s practice seemed quite clear to himself and on a direction already. Knowing that you are in your last semester and it\u2019s one step before you are going to go out and do these projects, my hunch was to run our meetings more like studio visits where another artist or curator is visiting your practice and having a conversation.<\/p>\nI point to questions or things that I can see are the strengths, or something that needs more work and just try to also give the energy and confidence that it\u2019s going well. You are doing the work of finding the answers to the parts that are more challenging or tricky in terms of answering some more conceptual, formal questions. My assessment was that at this point you don\u2019t need somebody to give you exercises because that\u2019s just going to take your time and distract you from following this quite complex thing that you have already set up for yourself.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
What will you take with you from working with Parastoo once you leave VCFA?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nM:<\/strong> I think what I\u2019m working on right now is a big project in the sense that I can continue it once I\u2019ve finished, if everything goes well with my MFA. I will continue this sort of research I am doing into Marseilles, into filmmaking, and photography and kind of go down all these avenues I would like to go down but just because of time I can\u2019t. I feel like at this point now I am just getting into it. At first I wished I was at this stage three semesters ago because I\u2019m coming to the end of my MFA, but I think that\u2019s kind of a normal feeling.<\/p>\nNow I have all this work to draw from and before I didn\u2019t know that. I wasn\u2019t aware of that then. Now that I\u2019m more clear what my work is about and where I want it to go, I see a lot more possibilities and a lot more work coming out of it for the future. I feel like I\u2019m just at the beginning of it all – a good place to be.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
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What advice would you give a new student who is thinking about selecting an Artist-Mentor?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\nM: <\/strong>I got so lucky. I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s just luck or if I did something special. I think just reaching out to someone whose work you like and seeing if people are available and not being afraid to contact anybody. I also think working with people who know the program is best. My best experiences have been with people who understand what a low-residency program is all about and understand the Visual Culture aspect of the program and have an idea of the philosophy of the school. And then, whoever you are working with \u2013 if it\u2019s going well, ask them at mid-semester for a list of artists that they think would be a good match for you. That\u2019s what I did every single time and it worked out very well for me.<\/p>\nI don\u2019t think you have to be so caught up on working with someone who works in the same media as you. I wanted to see a film by this artist, Jeff Silva<\/a>, and I\u2019m not a filmmaker at all, but I sent him an email and he sent me a vimeo link with the password to see it. I saw it, and I wasn\u2019t even planning on going to grad school, but we had this exchange through email and it turns out that he went to VCFA! We met for coffee and had a conversation and he became my first artist-mentor.<\/p>\nI always appreciated video and film but it was never anything I thought about working with. Reaching out to people is always a great thing. Sometimes you don\u2019t hear anything, but sometimes it can completely change the trajectory you are on. It just opened up the door of video and photography which was something I had never imagined myself doing. I used photography for my paintings but it was never something I would consider showing to anybody. It was a great experience for sure.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
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P:<\/strong> Sometimes sticking with your own medium makes sense if you are really going into the specifics or the technicalities of a medium. I don\u2019t want to dismiss that and how important that is and how much you can learn. But in general, I would say to use the MFA time, especially early on, to just focus on following a hunch or an intuition or an idea. It\u2019s a place to take the time that is given you to take risks and take as much as you can from people you wouldn\u2019t necessarily have access to and not worry so much about whether you are entering a territory that is kind of new to you and you feel lost \u2013 because the time is<\/em> for getting lost and later you can go back.<\/p>\nI think be as adventurous as you can and reach out to people that interest you, and maybe sometimes without you totally understanding why, and then taking the trip to understand \u2013 ok this<\/em> is why. Maybe you\u2019ll end up doing something you never thought you would do or maybe you will go back to your medium, but that\u2019s not important. It\u2019s more important what you learn, because the idea is to learn. It\u2019s not really to produce something perfect, at least in my approach to an MFA.<\/p>\nIt\u2019s easy to underestimate how unique this time is. It never happens again or in the same form, where you are supported and there is time and there is structure. These are all given to you, so you just have to kind of follow and leave space in your brain to just think and work and experiment.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n
M:<\/strong> There is also something that\u2019s so important about what you said about the risk, even if it doesn\u2019t come out well. At VCFA it\u2019s like the risk is what\u2019s rewarded and that, I think, is really important. You learn so much from taking risks, even if it doesn\u2019t come out as a success. I think there is so much to take away from just trying new things and trying out new, different media and all of that. Even the way you approach a project and trying to challenge that, because everybody develops their own approach to things. Trying to mess that up a little bit by challenging it is really important as well.<\/p>\n\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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